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Misconception, the amount of A- - you kiss, and your self worth |
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Debt |
| Date Posted: |
04/24/2002 |
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It seems that either not everyone understands these concepts of economics and ego or they find it too difficult to follow them.
EG: If you are a 3.8 student in college and you tell everyone that you are going to a crappy state law school 3rd tier, how inadequate will you feel when you've been influenced by this philosophy?
It seems that academic institutions encourage students to go to ivys b/c they essentially are perpetuating the "prestigious academic institution" fad. IF you let us Own you're soul, we will brand you with our name, a name that we have marketed people into thinking that it is a mark of divine nature. "You're special" I just don't like the idea of other people telling me how special i am based on their standards, you know?? it's like i am constantly trying to prove to people that i have potential. that insults me. I just believe that this entire process of writing personal statements, filling out applications, and taking "diagnostic" tests that are supposed to tell me how intelligent i am and how successful i will be. DO YOU PEOPLE FEEL WHAT I AM SAYING OR WHAT??!! I hate this crap: and i don't buy it at all. IF this pisses you off, i want to hear it. If you want to challenge what i am saying, i would love to hear that side as well, since that would make my life a whole lot easier. Otherwise, my philosophy tells me that thinking outside what is the norm is often the most difficult thing to do and to stick to. I just want to be happy that's all. I don't want end up 45 still paying off loans, and after buying a house, cars, marriage, kids, having my entire life leveraged, and having no wealth so that i couldn't tell people to go to hell when i want to watch my son's baseball game.
what about today's JOBS:
i am never going to be happy working for other people. that's the conclusion i have come to. working for someone else is just a limitation on a person's potential and causes them to lose their ambition. I mean, i don't know about you, but who the hell are these firms, businesses, employers etc. to tell me how much i deserve to get paid?? shouldn't that be determined by how hard i have worked and my perseverence?? it is just insulting to me that someone else is allowed to choose my salary: and thus my lifestyle for me. Sure, i had something to do with it: i went to college and will go to law school. but even after all that, i still don't believe that i will ever get from others what i think i have earned. That's why i hate limitations and herald ultimately being my own entreprenuer.
If someone else right now is as angry with the workforce, with the perpetuating misconceptions in our educational system, and with people in general who's ass you are made to think you have to kiss to make it in life, then reply to this message: i would be elated to read what you have to say.
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The average indebtedness for an Ivy law student is only about 75K. This number doesn't seem to be meaningfully different from the debt amount incurred at any private law school. Is your point that Ivy league schools are overpriced, or that law school in general is?
As far as proving yourself, well that doesn't really seem to have an end in this line of work. I agree, sometimes it is very intimidating. Even after you get into a "good school" there's finishing your first year top 10, getting on to the review, try to get published, then a clerkship, or a summer spot with the "right" firm, the bar, billing hours, partnership track, then you're dead.
I'm still a little young to be really bitter about it and I don's think "ass kissing" really comes into play until you're out of school. But, sometimes I look at all the things I "have" to do and don't even realize that I'm just ticking years off, and living so far in the future. Don't go to law school until you have an idea of what lawyers do each day, and unless you think you'll like the work on a daily basis.
I'm not saying it's too hard or trying to discourage people, but it revolves entirely around competition every day inside and outside your firm, and if you add 75K to your debt you'll have to practice law to pay it off. A pox on the idea that a JD opens all sorts of doors.
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