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End Affirmative Action And Legacies |
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re: trite PC rhetoric |
| Date Posted: |
12/13/2001 |
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The 300 years of oppression argument is completely worthless. Asian Americans particularly Japanese Americans had undergone oppression in the U.S. as well. Yet, they are not given advantages. I'm in no way suggesting that Japanese Americans have undergone the same discrimination as African Americans, but the point is the same.
In regards to the argument that minority opinion diversify the class, this is another trite opinion. In law school, people are studying not socializing. The majority of students are seeking the BIGLAW job. Thus it's a homogenous group with similar ambition and academic thinking despite skin color. No one cares what his fellow classmate thinks. Everyone is concerned with his or her own grade. That's the reality despite your p.c. rhetoric.
Allowing minorities admission due to their skin color only reinforces racism. Students will always question a minority's admission in grad school. Fellow attornies will always question minoritys' reputation in the market. Is that what you want? Because this will only fuel further racism.
Finally, if minorities aren't getting into grad school due to their numbers, TOUGH! This is a capitalistic nation where talent above skin color. If they can't get acceptance due to merit, then they don't deserve to get acceptance.
I guarantee you that the minority students at UT and UCLA feel safer and more respected knowing that they were given acceptance due to their merit not skin color. |
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If 300 years of oppression did not harm Blacks, Asians, and Native Americans, there must be many of these people in positions of power, right? Fact is, there aren't and we all know it. For that reason alone, we should have AA in place, because we also know that the leaders of our nation come out of places like Yale, Harvard, Stanford, NYU, etc. If there are no minorities coming out of those places, there will likely continue to be small numbers of minorities at the top in business and in government. If you want White males to stay on top, then keep denying the need for AA.
In terms of diversity of classes and the bizarre idea that no one cares what anyone else thinks, I beg to differ. Diversity of all sorts is the only really effective context in which to pursue an education. People of minority backgrounds (Black, Asian, poor, immigrant, Indians, etc) are often dissenting voices. Think about it: how much would you know about reservation life if you grew up in the 'burbs? How illuminating would it be to learn about the 14th amendment if the class was full of white folks? My point is that unless you see someone, flesh and blood, who knows about reservation life or has been steeped in a culture which has slavery as a part of its history, you'll only be learning stale facts and won't be learning how
powerful the law really is.
I don't agree that "fellow attornies [sic] will always question minoritys' [sic] reputation," but if they do, I would think that would make them racists. To question someone's skill and intelligence strictly based on the color of their skin? Yep, that's prejudice, all right.
Finally, in response to those who hate AA and feel that they are being discriminated against because they are white - TOUGH! Deal with it. Find ways to make yourself mpossible to pass up for law school, for jobs, etc. Race is not the only determinant of diversity. Spend time in the military, get a real job first, hell, even join the freaking Peace Corps. Whatever. Just make yourself different than all the hordes of other applicants (diversity = difference).
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