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What to do if job posting says "NO CALLS" |
| Message Name: |
to R2 |
| Date Posted: |
04/16/2002 |
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Your attitude is a perfect example of what is wrong with HR as a discipline. The volume of resumes you receive makes it impossible to properly review most resumes not that any of you has proven to me that you have a clue about what is really required for a job, other than buzz words that you have no clue about the meaning of.
Human resources people, unless they've handled the main responsibilities of the job they're acting as gate keepers for, can not possibly have a detailed understanding of the what specific positions require. So you look for cookie cutter people who had the same job title or a half a step below that of the opening for a competitor of yours, preferably one that is larger and better run.
You ignore skills sections completely and rarely pay attention to job responsibilities and accomplishments listed uer specific jobs.
But you love requiring farly mundane software as a requirement for senior level jobs because its one of the few things you understand. And if this wasn't a microsoft dominated world and you found qualified candidates who knew other word processing, spreadsheet or presentation software than Word, Excel and Power Point, you would disquailify such a person for even a very senior position because you think it really matters and such a person wouldn't be capable of learning or having support staff if it is a very senior level job do it for the person.
HR also loves the MBA, because its another credential and credentials are buzz words, which to you are like pretty pictures to a 2 year old. Never mind that even Harvard, Yale and Stanford MBA Product Managers know less about most aspects of the markeitng mix than entry level ad agency media assistants.
The biggest joke is your comment about not contacting the people you'd eventually work for in lieu of HR. And you have the audacity to say they don't understand what it takes to hire someone when it is HR that is totally clueless. The person you'd work for, particularly if you speak to them and pitch your your background have a much greater ability to determine job suitability than a cookie cutter background seeking over glorified clueless gatekeeper.
Don't worry, I wouldn't waste my time calling the likes of you. I call people I'd eventually work for. Its the only way I've ever been hired and I've held job titles of VP and above. I've never gotten a job from Human Resources in the 17 years since I graduated from college. Human resources has only reacted to my resume with one of two form letters, 1. We received your resume and will contact me if your interested ( you never do)or 2. We were impressed with your credentials and will contact you should we find a posiiton we think is suitable (If you were really impressed with my credentials you would have at least granted me an interview. And there is no way you could have been impressed with my credentials since you either didn't really review them or lack the knowledge to do so properly). |
| Message: |
R2, I hesitate to bring this up because you seem so upset with HR in general, however (and isn't there always a "however"), I must ask if your resume is as poorly written as your posts to this board?
If so, perhaps that explains your inability to secure employment via the written word, and further explains your success at one-on- one interviews. I am in no way supporting HR in this. I also do best when I am able to by-pass HR and go right to the hiring manger, but most of the time this impossible to do.
Santa
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