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When side-jobs hurt your chances.. |
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08/24/2004 |
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(john: We aren??t disagreeing about anything. You simply
refuse to admit you had/have no clue about what you are
talking about when you wrote your ??article??.)
hi john, if we aren't disagreeing... what is this about then?
the sentence you wrote above is exactly why the usa is in
a political bind at the moment... rather than discussing issues
rationally, the subject turns to personal attack -- which is only
evidence that the 'attacker' lost ground...
i'm saying to you, and rather kindly, that we can disagree.
this argument of the *true collection* of the unemployed and
underemployed is not new... in the story i published i
successfully explain in simple terms how the actual
unemployment rate can decrease without the unemployed
professional finding a new job. it is an example, again, using
the BLS philosophy. two surveys. same sample up ticks and
downturns as they apply to a sample of 100 people. time
permitting, you can apply the same data and will come out
with the same results.
i do not need to prove anything more than i have. :) if you
disagree, i encourage you to write an article and submit
to thinkandask, with your *real* name, phone #, and city, for
consideration... we don't publish e-mail addresses. you can
see on thinkandask that we post reader comments pro/con to
articles published... i know some articles on t&a are
controversial because in cases such as this, the story
upsets people who have long believed one way. a good
journalist is not in the business of pleasing friends. ;)
(john: They are polled at random......)
we disagree. please note... the word "random" is not
listed.
from BLS:
"Each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)
analyzes and publishes statistics on the labor force,
employment, and unemployment, classified by a
variety of demographic, social, and economic
characteristics. These statistics are derived from
the Current Population Survey (CPS), which is
conducted by the Census Bureau for BLS. This
monthly survey of the population uses a sample of
households that is designed to represent the civilian
noninstitutional population of the United States."
from CNN:
"The household report is derived from a poll of about
60,000 households, while the payrolls count comes from a
sampling of about 400,000 work sites -- about one-third
of all nonfarm payroll workers.
Unlike the establishment survey, the household survey
includes farm workers, the self-employed, unpaid family
workers, private household workers and people on unpaid
leave among the employed -- possibly boosting its count."
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??hi john, if we aren't disagreeing... what is this about then???
Your lies.
??in the story i published i successfully explain in simple terms how the actual
unemployment rate can decrease without the unemployed
professional finding a new job. it is an example, again, using
the BLS philosophy. two surveys. same sample up ticks and
downturns as they apply to a sample of 100 people. time
permitting, you can apply the same data and will come out
with the same results. ??
No what you did is lie about how people ??fall off?? the unemployment rate and you continue to do so even after anyone who has been reading this and has went to the links I provide can see this is clearly not the case. Unemployment benefits have absolutely nothing to do with the unemployment data. Are you suggesting that one of the main thesises of your ??article?? is the relationship between unemployment benefits and how you ??fall off???
??i do not need to prove anything more than i have. :) if you
disagree, i encourage you to write an article and submit
to thinkandask, with your *real* name, phone #, and city, for
consideration... we don't publish e-mail addresses. you can
see on thinkandask that we post reader comments pro/con to
articles published... i know some articles on t&a are
controversial because in cases such as this, the story
upsets people who have long believed one way. a good
journalist is not in the business of pleasing friends. ;)??
You??re right you don??t have anything to prove to me. You can continue to lie to anyone who happens to read your site and the people on boards like this can see the research you are (in)capable of when you make hiring decisions about you.
??we disagree. please note... the word "random" is not
listed.??
Rational people can??t disagree about something that is a fact:
From BLS (original link):
??Every month, one-fourth of the households in the sample are changed, so that no household is interviewed more than 4 consecutive months. This practice avoids placing too heavy a burden on the households selected for the sample. After a household is interviewed for 4 consecutive months, it leaves the sample for 8 months and then is again interviewed for the same 4 calendar months a year later, before leaving the sample for good. This procedure results in approximately 75 percent of the sample remaining the same from month to month and 50 percent from year to year. ??
More from BLS:
The CPS is collected each month from a ****PROBABILITY SAMPLE**** of approximately 60,000 households. Respondents are assured that all information obtained is completely confidential and is used only for the purpose of statistical analysis. Although the survey is conducted on a strictly voluntary basis, refusals to cooperate amount to only about 4 percent each month. (Another 3 to 4 percent of eligible households are not interviewed because of other failures to make contact.)
http://www.bls.gov/opub/hom/homch1_b.htm
In case you need a definition of probability sample (something I guess you do) a simple googling of the term will help. I just did this and came back with one that might help:
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~judithjf/typesofsamples.pdf
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