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??we can agree to disagree john.??
We aren??t disagreeing about anything. You simply refuse to admit you had/have no clue about what you are talking about when you wrote your ??article??.
??you are saying that the BLS data is correct,
i'm saying it is not. 60,000 households
would be significant if they were polled at
random. this is a flaw.??
They are polled at random. Did you read their website? I don??t understand why you refuse to do basic research on something you care enough about to write ??articles?? about. Perhaps it??s because if you did read how they get the unemployment rate you couldn??t simply brush it off without knowing you were lying.
??as you read the story in question, you also
see that i use both BLS stats, as well as
the LAT's stats. and it is up to the reader
to weigh both sides. the european union
uses actual numbers of people -- they are
not (only a) sampling. ??
I can??t read the story in question you refuse to cite (post a link) to anything you are talking about. You just pull things out of your ass and expect people to accept it as fact.
??the LAT is the only major publication at this point in
time keeping track of the number of unemployed.??
How about the OECD publications which uses the same method across each country?
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/47/2483871.xls
I hate to break it to you but no major country uses ??actual numbers of people??. Here is a link to the French agency that collects their unemployment data:
http://www.insee.fr/en/ffc/Liste_theme.asp?theme_id=3&first_doc=41&simple=&coll=0&num_pub=&titre=&deb_mois=&deb_annee=&fin_mois=&fin_annee=&auteur=&mot_cle=
Here you can read about their ??Employment Survey?? (and how it's conducted even less often then in the US) but I??m sure this is just an election year ploy by Bush to keep himself in power, right? I would look up the links for other EU members but something tells me you wouldn??t read them because you don??t care about the truth only spewing what you think is right.
??for the simple version (7 month example)
in the story, the data was taken directly
from BLS :-)??
Please post a link to this. Make sure it explains how people are no longer counted as unemployed because they no longer receive unemployment benefits.
??no matter how much one wants to believe the feds... BLS data is
not fully baked. we are not in a booming
economy my friend despite the election year
rhetoric.??
Can you post anything that suggests that the BLS is doing anything different right now then it has since it started collecting data? Or is doing anything diffrent then INSEE their French counterparts?
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(john: We aren??t disagreeing about anything. You simply
refuse to admit you had/have no clue about what you are
talking about when you wrote your ??article??.)
hi john, if we aren't disagreeing... what is this about then?
the sentence you wrote above is exactly why the usa is in
a political bind at the moment... rather than discussing issues
rationally, the subject turns to personal attack -- which is only
evidence that the 'attacker' lost ground...
i'm saying to you, and rather kindly, that we can disagree.
this argument of the *true collection* of the unemployed and
underemployed is not new... in the story i published i
successfully explain in simple terms how the actual
unemployment rate can decrease without the unemployed
professional finding a new job. it is an example, again, using
the BLS philosophy. two surveys. same sample up ticks and
downturns as they apply to a sample of 100 people. time
permitting, you can apply the same data and will come out
with the same results.
i do not need to prove anything more than i have. :) if you
disagree, i encourage you to write an article and submit
to thinkandask, with your *real* name, phone #, and city, for
consideration... we don't publish e-mail addresses. you can
see on thinkandask that we post reader comments pro/con to
articles published... i know some articles on t&a are
controversial because in cases such as this, the story
upsets people who have long believed one way. a good
journalist is not in the business of pleasing friends. ;)
(john: They are polled at random......)
we disagree. please note... the word "random" is not
listed.
from BLS:
"Each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)
analyzes and publishes statistics on the labor force,
employment, and unemployment, classified by a
variety of demographic, social, and economic
characteristics. These statistics are derived from
the Current Population Survey (CPS), which is
conducted by the Census Bureau for BLS. This
monthly survey of the population uses a sample of
households that is designed to represent the civilian
noninstitutional population of the United States."
from CNN:
"The household report is derived from a poll of about
60,000 households, while the payrolls count comes from a
sampling of about 400,000 work sites -- about one-third
of all nonfarm payroll workers.
Unlike the establishment survey, the household survey
includes farm workers, the self-employed, unpaid family
workers, private household workers and people on unpaid
leave among the employed -- possibly boosting its count."
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