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Technical |
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Good Process and Good Move |
| Date Posted: |
02/23/2006 |
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When I threw a number back at her (8K more than my original number) she sorta laughed and said then I would be making more than my hiring manager. I figured that would give me a resonable raise for switching jobs and would give me a cushion should I not get a raise or bonus for a year or two. She finally agreed to present the couter-offer to the hiring manager and get back with me promptly.
Well, 3 days go by and I'm not contacted, so I gave her a call back. She informed me that they were still hiring for the position. I asked if the original offer was still on the table, or what was going on? She said she didn't know, but would call the hiring manager again and get back with me.
Now this job would only be my 2nd job coming out of college, so I may not be well versed in the corporate world, but I thought it was customary to accept a job and then work to negotiate a salary. If the hiring company thought you were asking too much, they would eventually give you a final offer which was a take-it-or-leave-it type of thing. I wasn't aware that they sometimes just pull the offer and leave you hanging.
Anyways another few days go by with no call, so I call the HR woman again. She informs me that they are still interviewing, so the offer isn't off the cable, but isn't necessarily on the table either. WTF? Long story short I asked to be removed from consideration.
I interviewed for another similar job the day after my final conversation with CSC and was hired the same day by this company. I didn't have to negotiate a salary because they added 20% to my current salary, gave me 3 weeks vacation off the bat, enrolled me in profit-sharing, ensured yearly reviews/raises, and informed me that we'll receive quarterly bonuses.
So in the end it worked out well for me and I'm extremely glad I didn't accept the CSC job. Some lessons learned:
1) If a company asks you for the minimum you'll expect right out of the gate, be very cautious and suspicious. If you feel you must give a number, make sure its well thought out.
2) If a company treats you badly during the interview process and makes false promises, they'll probably do the same thing when you're an employee.
3) Don't accept anything but what you're worth. If you're really worth it, someone will pay you.
Thanks everyone for your advice, I hope this helps future job seekers. I'd like to hear how some of you may have handled this situation and know if I did anything wrong myself. |
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I just read over your article and I have to say you showed a very good analytical process in arriving at your decision. Your approach and validations were very good and the way you made your final decision very impressive.
Some firms make decisions by not making them if you understand my meaning. What you experienced was CSC's way of dealing with a general decision. Usually the head goes in the sand and they hope there is no blow back. On the upside I have had the opportunity to work with some of the finest partners ( NY, WAS and NP) that I have ever met in my life. Ones that I would follow anywhere on any assignment. But these folks were the exception. Operationally CSC is stagnant. Field sales forces have been hard pressed to secure deals. ( rates not being the issue as you may believe) Skill levels have declined over the past 3 to 5 years and finally incidents with the government (IRS) as well as other previous enegagements have impacted Consulting's delivery.
Regardless, they are a good firm to get experience and maybe, maybe meet some good people out of the large body who are down right nasty. You decided well and I am sure your talents will be better appreciated with the firm that values you more.
RONIN2004
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